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Mapmaker, Mapmaker, Make Me A Map?
Hello folks

I've never made a request like this on LJ before, but I've seen others do this sort of crowdsourcing before with spectacular results, so here goes:

I'm looking for someone to create a pretty, high-quality map of my fantasy world THE CRESCENT MOON KINGDOMS.

Basically the situation is this: My first novel, THRONE OF THE CRESCENT MOON, comes out in February of next year from DAW Books. For those who don't know, it's the first novel in an Arabian Nights-tinged heroic fantasy trilogy. (To get some idea of the flavor of the world, you can read prequel stories here and here, and read my blabbery on the novel itself here.) I'm quite proud of it, and am of course hoping that  it makes a splash. But splashes don't depend on the text alone. Packaging matters. In some respects, I'm in good shape there: THRONE will be a hardcover release with some very cool blurbs and cover art by an *awesome* artist (more on whom a bit down the line).

And, because I have always been a fantasy map nut, it will have a map.

Now. DAW's in-house person can provide a very serviceable, basic, black-and-white line map. I love my publisher *to death* and have zero complaints about their plans for the book. But. Truth be told, I would love for the map to move beyond utility and help contribute to teh splashery first impressions. Truth be told, I'm fantasizing about something more like this:



or this:




And there are for-hire folks out there who do this sort of work. But they ain't cheap, and here's the grisly catch: I am flat flat flat broke right now (twin infants, recent relocation, no teaching gig at the moment, etc.). So my ability to fund this is pretty limited. Thus this reaching out to the crowd.  As a newbie-ish writer, I know how crummy and insulting the 'Hey,  we're not paying anything, but the work is *exposure*!' thing can be. On the other hand, DAW will be pushing this book as one of their major fantasy debuts, and it *would* be a pretty nice bit of exposure for a less established artist. In addition, I could likely scratch together *some* token funds and/or work out some sort of barter. I teach creative writing at the university level and, for a genre newbie, have had some decent success in SF/F publishing. So I could happily offer my services doing a ms. critique or some such. And I'm open to other creative, equitable arrangements.

If this sounds like something you have the skills and inclination for, or if you know someone who might be up for this, please hit me up at saladinahmed [youknowwhatgoeshere] hotmail.com. Thanks! 


ETA: WOW, the People Of The Internet are amazing! Less than 24 hrs since I posted this, and I've had a SLEW of responses from talented folks. I'm in the process of looking at portfolios, websites, etc., but the decision is not mine alone - I have to have a discussion w/ my publisher as well before I ask anyone to start putting hard work into this. Please bear with me - I'll be getting back to everyone individually within a day or so. And, to everyone who's written, posted, or spread the word, THANK YOU!!!!

ETA II: Just to clarify, though I've had a slew of responses, the call is still open - please do contact me if you're just seeing this for the first time!

ETA III: Thank you all *so* much for your rapid, generous responses to my call! I'm frankly astonished by how many talented, creative people wrote me expressing interest in this project. I'd had visions of tumbleweeds blowing through my inbox as I waited for responses.  Instead I find myself  in the awkward position of being both and beggar and a chooser.

In any case, after looking at a bunch of truly gorgeous portfolios and consulting with my publisher, I've narrowed the search down considerably, and have contacted my top choices. I wish all of the rest of you fantastic craftsfolk and cartographers the very best with your impressive creative and professional endeavors, and I thank you all for your time.
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csecooney From: csecooney Date: April 2nd, 2011 07:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have no suggestions artist-wise, but I bet your friends and fans would help you crowdfund to pay the artist a proud wage. I would. Just show me the PayPal button!
csecooney From: csecooney Date: April 2nd, 2011 07:53 pm (UTC) (Link)

P.S.

I linked to this on my journal -- but do you want me to link to it on Black Gate?
saladinahmed From: saladinahmed Date: April 2nd, 2011 09:48 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: P.S.

Sure, and thanks for the signal boost!
csecooney From: csecooney Date: April 4th, 2011 08:44 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: P.S.

No problem. Say, I have a post ready to go up on Black Gate now about it, but I've been watching your ETAs and it seems like you've got a slew. Want me to hold off on it or go ahead?
saladinahmed From: saladinahmed Date: April 4th, 2011 09:01 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: P.S.

No, I'm good. Astonished at the number of responses, actually, and still in the process of getting back to folks (didn't help that LJ was borked all day...). But thanks!
saladinahmed From: saladinahmed Date: April 2nd, 2011 09:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
'Fans?' Har....

Anyway, I thought about that, but I figure you only get one 'ask the internet for free money' card, and I think I'll save mine for a time when there's a true crisis in my life...
sajia From: sajia Date: April 2nd, 2011 08:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'd love to make maps! I used to draw over my atlas pages to make up my own kingdoms. Maybe if I went through a six week intensive graphic arts course I'd come up with something that would embody mine aspirations - oh, and yours too. Alas, all my energies are focused on dance and music.
saladinahmed From: saladinahmed Date: April 2nd, 2011 09:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
Good things to be focused on! Be well and take care.
From: mishellbaker.wordpress.com Date: April 2nd, 2011 09:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
I just have to say, anyone with the skill who would be so shortsighted as to balk at the lack of money has no idea how wildly famous and wealthy you are about to become.
saladinahmed From: saladinahmed Date: April 2nd, 2011 09:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
I like the way you think, Baker!
dawtheminstrel From: dawtheminstrel Date: April 2nd, 2011 09:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
Every time I see the name of your publisher, I think you're talking about me.
saladinahmed From: saladinahmed Date: April 2nd, 2011 09:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
And the first time I saw you refer to yourself as 'DAW" I thought of the publisher.

You *are* in the acknowledgments, though, so there's, like, DAW within DAW layers, maaaan...
green_knight From: green_knight Date: April 2nd, 2011 10:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
It this is the kind of thing you're thinking of, we might talk... but as a fellow flat-out-broke person money needs to be involved.

The Five Kingdoms of Rhadon

(This is a map that goes with an unpublished novel; done as a vector file, so it'll scale to print.)
saladinahmed From: saladinahmed Date: April 5th, 2011 01:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thanks very much for reaching out - please see ETA III in this post.
mirrorshard From: mirrorshard Date: April 2nd, 2011 11:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
This is a great idea, and I really hope you find someone! I'm a complete sucker for a really good monochrome line-art window-frame map, but I quite agree that a full-colour one is an awesome thing to have in your book, and it isn't something that most authors and designers pay as much attention to as I'd like, these days.

If I had done any cartography in the last dozen years, I'd be all over this, but as it is I'll settle for putting up a signal amp post.
saladinahmed From: saladinahmed Date: April 3rd, 2011 06:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thanks for the signal boost - and that's a great blog, BTW!
magicalbookworm From: magicalbookworm Date: April 3rd, 2011 12:15 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm unsure if this is what your looking for. I do most of my maps via Word, fractal mapper and paint. I then normally print, either one page or as big as 6 or more. Then color in the maps by hand.

I haven't stepped into the large graphic programs.

Here are a couple of my maps.

http://magicalbookworm.deviantart.com/art/New-map-for-a-New-Story-100740378 Colored by hand

http://magicalbookworm.deviantart.com/art/Map-BQ-Novel-86396244?q=gallery%3Amagicalbookworm&qo=3 colored via paint.

http://magicalbookworm.deviantart.com/art/New-map-that-looks-old-65080362?q=gallery%3Amagicalbookworm%2F21108788&qo=27 colored by hand

Some of my larger maps I can't scan, sadly.

If this isn't what your looking for head over to
http://www.cartographersguild.com/forum.php there are some amazing mappers there that might be will to take on a free project.

saladinahmed From: saladinahmed Date: April 5th, 2011 01:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thanks very much for reaching out - please see ETA III in this post.
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saladinahmed From: saladinahmed Date: April 5th, 2011 01:42 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: I am an illustrator...

Thanks very much for reaching out - please see ETA III in this post.
mike5816 From: mike5816 Date: April 3rd, 2011 12:45 am (UTC) (Link)

Cartographer

A friend sent me the link to this post via Twitter. It appears she got it from someone else on Twitter. I don't know where that person go it.

I am a professional cartographer. I am interested in adding more to my portfolio than just Flood Insurance Rate Maps (which I enjoy making, by the way). I am fortunate right now not to be hard up for money, as so many people that I know are during these economic times. And, I have tossed around ideas for fantasy maps for a long time. I did create my own fantasy land in junior high, and still have all the maps and stuff that goes along with it to this day (I kept working on it and it grew and grew during high school, as I was a horrible introvert at that time).

I am not an artist, however. A novel is a work of art and deserves an artistic map. There is a fine line between a good map and a work of art. In the two example maps you provided, I would say (IMHO) that the first one crosses the line into art (it is more picture than map), whereas the second one does not cross that line (it is artful, but more map than picture). I can do a lot with a map, but I can't really cross that line into art.

So, with that said, I think this is an interesting idea. If you aren't connected with a more experienced cartographer, or a more qualified artist, please feel free to contact me.

cartographer1973 [a] gmail.com
saladinahmed From: saladinahmed Date: April 5th, 2011 01:43 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Cartographer

Thanks very much for reaching out - please see ETA III in this post.
ecmyers From: ecmyers Date: April 3rd, 2011 01:39 am (UTC) (Link)
Will DAW print the map in color for you if you get one, or do you have to spring for that yourself too?
saladinahmed From: saladinahmed Date: April 5th, 2011 01:43 pm (UTC) (Link)
Nah, it's gonna be Black and White.
punkbeaver From: punkbeaver Date: April 3rd, 2011 06:38 am (UTC) (Link)
The illustrious Ms. Cooney gave me a heads-up about your mapping needs, I don't know if I can compete quality-wise with the map already posted above, I am a skin-illuminator by trade rather than a cartographer, but due to that I am not worried about money. What kind of time frame are you looking at? And what sort of size and medium would be workable for you? feel free to contact me at tattooheathen@gmail.com if you wish.
saladinahmed From: saladinahmed Date: April 5th, 2011 01:43 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thanks very much for reaching out - please see ETA III in this post.
gnimmel From: gnimmel Date: April 3rd, 2011 10:38 am (UTC) (Link)
Sam Kelly pointed me in your direction - I'm not a professional artist or map-maker, but I have done a small amount of map-making/illustration as a pastime. I quite like doing it and would be fine with exposure/barter in exchange as it's very much a dabbling-type hobby (with the caveat that I'd prefer not to take work away from people who are professionals, so disregard this is you've already reached a payment-type agreement with anyone). Example below:
gnimmel From: gnimmel Date: April 3rd, 2011 11:15 am (UTC) (Link)
(contact details, FWIW, lynnette at fluffhouse.org.uk)
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 3rd, 2011 02:53 pm (UTC) (Link)

Cartographer's Guild

My husband runs a fantasy cartography website. There is a mapmaking request section where you can ask someone to make you a map. There are lots of artists and industry professionals avaiable. With well over 20,000 members you're sure to find someone to help. www.cartographersguild.com
saladinahmed From: saladinahmed Date: April 3rd, 2011 06:56 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Cartographer's Guild

Thanks muchly for the lead!
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